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France: Builds 2 units
Russia: Removes 1 unit
Message from France to Master
Well it is over. Not a whole lot else to say that I haven't said in my
various press to m's over the course of the game. I hope the other
players were at least as verbose as I was.
When press is turned on I will broadcast an EOG statement and probably
will have some additional comments once the press is made available and I
can read what the other powers said
Message from France to all
First of all - I want to apologize for being late so many times. I really
did enjoy this game and the format of writing down my thoughts at each
stage, laying out my own thoughts as well as trying to figure out what
everyone else might be thinking.
I wrote pretty extensive running commentary, so I will let that stand as
most of my EoG.
I will go and read all the comments now, and write something else
afterwards if necessary. The only comment I have now is the question of
what happened to Russia those past 2-3 seasons?
Message from Turkey to all
Thanks to Christian for looking after us and GM-ing the game.
Congratulations to Dan on his solo.
I think Dan is as amazed as I am at his solo. My comments during the game
cover most of my EOG. I thourougly enjoyed the game right up to F1922M.
What happened to Russia????? Obviously me and him were setting Draw and
France was holding out. No problem with that it would have only been a
matter of time before Dan had to set draw. The game was a tied 3 way. No
doubt about it.
Then came the Russian withdraw in 1922 allowing France to take 2 Russian
SC's and thus forcing the solo. Dan and I both new that the game was then
over. The north was stalemated as was the south. All Russia had to do was
hold in place. France was not going anywhere.
A strange ending to the game. Once the solo was inevitable (i dont know what
made russia think he could prevent the solo once he lost DEN/NWY) I decided
to call it a day.
As can be seen from the comments Dan and I knew it was all over. This should
have been a 3 way, I dont begrudge Dan his solo. I love these comment games
and will certainly sign up for more. Just one last tip to Philippe, just
hold and wait. The set draw in these cases is inevitable.
Thanks all for an enjoyable game.
Message from Turkey to all
> Well, congratulation to France and my apology to Turkey.>
Apology accepted, this kind of thing happens in diplomacy.
Just a shame of a perfectly well deserved draw for the both of us.
Message from France to all
Very interesting read through everybody's comments. I'm grateful that you
all took the time to write your thinking at various stages. Usually a lot
of the EOGs deal with "what were you thinking when you did this" or "why
did you make this order" And many times, even if people submit EOGs, they
don't remember way back when, and sometimes their thinking is colored by
revisionist history, etc.
As mentioned by Turkey and Russia earlier, I was very surprised I soloed.
I still had a few tricks to try, but I wasn't really expecting anything to
work. Still, I did not set draw, nor did it ever really cross my mind. I
guess this just goes to support the opinion that you should really make
sure that the game is done before you set draw, because you never know
what might happen.
I agree with Turkey that Russia should have just kept holding on, but the
one problem I saw with Russia's analysis was counting on holding Stp - it
can not be held from the south against a concerted northern attack, no
matter what.
The only other question / area of interest I want to bring up is that I'm
glad I was not the only one who thought that I should have soloed, oh
about 1909 or so. At that time I really thought I had this in the bag.
Anyone else have any ideas what happened? Was there a time when I
misplayed, or was it just good IRT cooperation in stopping a solo? I do
think that IRT played extremely well, especially given the difficulties of
coordinating in no-press. Anyone else have any thoughts on that?
Again, thanks to the GM for this great series and thanks to everyone else.
Message from Russia to all
Well, congratulation to France and my apology to Turkey.
As you will see by my comments, I got tired in the end and
there's no good explanation for the way I played.
Message from Turkey to all
> I agree with Turkey that Russia should have just kept holding on, but the
one problem I saw with Russia's analysis was counting on holding Stp - it
can not be held from the south against a concerted northern attack, no
matter what.>
I agree, but in the spring of 1922 just after I waived my builds the north
was tied down. STP was empty. The only gap left was BOH. It was easily
plugged. GAL - VIE, RUM - GAL. You and I bounced in TYR else I would have
entered TYR. In the fall BOH was filled by a Russian unit.
All Russia had to do was hold the north and cover BOH. I had the south
plugged. That was why I didnt even bother to build two fleets. The retreats
in the fall of 1922 opened up your solo, then it would have indeed only been
a matter of time before you soloed. There is no way SWE & STP could be held.
> The only other question / area of interest I want to bring up is that I'm
glad I was not the only one who thought that I should have soloed, oh
about 1909 or so.>
I dont have the date ingraved on my eye balls off hand but I do recall
stating somewhere along the lines that your solo was inevitable. I also
recall asking why it went wrong? I must have missed it to. I do recall the
situation and openly stated FRANCE WIL SOLO.
>At that time I really thought I had this in the bag. Anyone else have any
ideas what happened? Was there a time when I misplayed, or was it just good
IRT cooperation in stopping a solo? I do
think that IRT played extremely well, especially given the difficulties of
coordinating in no-press. Anyone else have any thoughts on that?>
Let me look at my comments and at the board. BRB.
Right, I see I first mentioned your solo in 1907. I think the mistake made
was not taking DEN but instead going for MUN. There was no need for Germany
to lose MUN. With support from Italy (which he received and had received)
and with support from BER, MUN was safe. You would have had two builds (DEN
& TUN). I believe you should have retreated EDI - CLY or YOR and built two
fleets in EDI/LON. You still had one in ENG so England entering NTH shouldnt
have been a worry. This would have left you with 5 fleets in the north and
Sweden open to attack. ENG/LON pushes NTH back whilst YOR/CLY covered EDI
and EDI pushed for NWG and DEN pushed for SWE whilst HEL covered DEN. That
is the way I would have gone. I am sure you would have soloed then. KIE/BER
would have been qwquick to follow. STP being your 18th.
Message from Italy to all
congratulations to F! I was very surprised to see it
ended in a solo...
i'm in a middle of a trip, so i am unable to read
all the comments right now, but i did not want to
remain silent.
thanks to christian for this wonderful idea and all
his efforts.
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